English Surnames and Viking Names: Some Initial Correspondence

Naming a Most Recent Common Ancestor:

My cousin Anthony Crump whose y-DNA values show that we share a Recent Common Ancestor, and who has decided, like myself and my correspondent from Ottawa, to take an 111 marker y-DNA test. The following correspondence addresses what very well may be a useful area for research. If we know we have a Common Rscent Ancestor, what might be that Ancestor’s surname?

Below is Anthony’s correspondence and his question

” . . .  I will have the 111 maker test run also and when I get the results back I will send them to you.

“Our current [surnames] might be temporary.  Since we go back to the Vikings, what was our Viking name?  The Vikings ruled from 800 – 1100 AD.  However our Viking ancestry could have been earlier.  There must have been people prior to the Vikings that were pre-Vikings.

In other words the Viking that ruled from 800 – 1100 AD had ancestors.  At what point in history did our line of Viking blood enter into England where the origin of the sir name Crump was taken over?  What Viking did the deed?  Who was he?  I found on Y-search DNA from the area and with the I1 Viking gene that is somewhat of a match to ours.  Maybe you can look into that a little more with the info I sent you.

Your web site is growing all the time and is discovering and exploring new findings using DNA results and comparisons to break through the limitations of the paper trail.  From Vikings to Virginians is an excellent web page for those who study ancestor research.

The finding of the Viking gene was a big step forward.  Then studying of the Viking history was another research that unlocks the movement of the Vikings and the who, what, when, where and why they invaded other countries.  All this played an important role in our ancestry past and the development of who we are today. Very interesting and entertaining.

Maybe this explains some of my behavior issues in my youth when I had a great appetite for women and sometimes loud outbursts of anger due to my uncontrollable temper when things did not go my way. All maybe associated with my Viking blood.

“Thanks again, Tony (Anthony Dwight Crump)

My response to Anthony Dwight Crump:

Hi Tony –

My current hypothesis is that at least some of my ancestors (including maternal lines) were French Normans who came over from France (Normandie) around or just after the time of the Norman Invasion in 1066 a.d.

I’m hoping that my 111 marker data will yield some insights into my exact relationship with a French Canadian correspondent, who himself descends from the Norman Vikings.

Recall that between William the Conqueror and Edward I many of the Norman rulers of England had property in both England and France. It was only with the Hundred Years War that our ancestors had to choose whether they were English or French.

Your question about surnames is a good one. Right now, we have no idea. However, I probably would go with the assumption that the Norse tradition of naming sons for their fathers (e.g., Arne Olafson) continued for many centuries. It wasn’t until the 14th century (or later) that an Englishman was expected to have a surname.

Therefore, it is quite possible that some of these related English surnames (Saunders, Kerley, Crump, to which I would add Vassar and Ayres) relate to land possessions in France or England eight or nine centuries ago, or places that branches of the family resided in the 1300s.

Let’s keep in touch on the 111 markers.

Cordially, Bill

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